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January 27, 2011 16:13

ISBN number in a Paperback always differs from that of a Hardback edition ...? Right?

(Ask the question because I have a bound book, but see a Paperback on the site with the number of the bound edition.

So do I have to change the number, or change the text Paperback to Bound?

Grt Patrick.

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January 27, 2011 17:52

Yes, they cannot be the same or the publisher must have made a mistake. Which CW number is it?

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CW number stands for Catawiki number?

Zoya: CW 1031355 (John Grisham: The Jury)

CW 1031367 (J. Grisham: the Deal)

Enzo is with several titles.

Also, between a paperback and a regular edition there is also a difference in ISBN number...? (will soon)

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February 08, 2011 17:58

Here is a popular explanation about, among other things, ISBN-13

ISBN-13 for Dummies

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February 08, 2011 18:09

What exactly is your 1st question, archivist?

As for your second question, pockets and paperbacks do indeed have different ISBNs.

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What exactly is your 1st question, archivist?

???

CW number stands for Catawiki number?

You asked for CW number, so I asked if that stands for CataWiki number ...

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December 24, 2012 22:59

Just blowing the dust off this topic. ;)

Today I added a number of books to my collection and also made some corrections to the data of those books.

One of those corrections concerns ISBN13 (the barcode). In my enthusiasm I removed the dashes from a number of books and replaced them with 1 number of 13 digits. I added these to other books (because they were missing).
This is because I was dealing with DVD's yesterday and it seems to be common there, but I found out that this is not necessarily the case with books.

It's no problem for me to reverse my 'corrections' (there aren't that many yet), but before I start I want to know: How?
I see various suggestions and solutions here and there in various sub-forums, but I cannot find a clear statement of "this is how we are going to do it". That was probably in one of Willem-Naber's messages, which have all been 'deleted' (very annoying that 'deleted', but that aside).

It is opted to work with dashes to improve readability and thus make checking easier. I'm all for that, but the check is only easy in my opinion if the layout is the same compared to the barcode.
978-90-290-5413-3 is difficult to check (even with dashes) with:
9-789029-054133 (dashes are of course not in the barcode).

So.... how am I (are we) supposed to fill in ISBN13?

note: the above only concerns ISBN13. As far as I know I kept to the agreements with ISBN10 and always worked with dashes.

PS The help function that appears with various fields is very useful and I certainly use it to my advantage, but it is especially lacking with the ISBN fields. I think that will prevent a lot of mistakes/mistakes.

Thanks for the comment. :-)

Regards,
Nico

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December 24, 2012 23:15

We do them with dashes and the barcode is irrelevant. There is only one correct place for the dashes. Furthermore, we only include ISBNs if they are in or on the book (here too we ignore the barcode). If no ISBN can be found, we enter 'None'. Finally, we do not include an ISBN-13 for books prior to 2007. So each item has only filled one of the ISBN fields.

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December 24, 2012 23:54

That's clear, thank you.

I honestly thought the barcode was equivalent to ISBN13.
The 2007 border is also a new piece of info I hadn't come across yet.

As for double mentioning. So if I come across that, I can correct it without further ado, being:

<2007 gets ISBN10
>=2007 gets ISBN13

This book is therefore wrong and ISBN13 must be removed.
I'm going to get going again. :-)

All the more reason I think to mention this in a piece of help text.
And maybe an automatic double input check. But that will be something for a programmer.

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December 25, 2012 00:27

The example you give may indeed not have an ISBN13, but books that were published at the end of 2006 do sometimes contain two ISBNs, as mentioned earlier in this discussion.

If Catawiki only has one number must indeed be made clear in the instructions which number is preferred in such a case. Also, probably fewer errors would be made if there were only one ISBN field.

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December 25, 2012 00:45

Catwiki has had a conversion table for at least two years now to combine the ISBN fields into one. It is not up to the administrators.

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And what do the UDC and NUGI numbers mean?

Btw, here my first addition: http://www.catawiki.nl/catalogus/boeken/oorspronELIJK-titels/hollywood-husbands/4534661-the-lovers-van-hollywood? area = 5d6ac018bda819e06b60d18fd33a50e9776fd849

But I didn't know where to put the UDC and NUGI ...

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March 10, 2014 08:37

We don't use UDC or NUGI, so you don't need to include them.

NUGI: http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/dela012alge01_01/dela012alge01_01_01440.php

From the Wiki (link doesn't work):

"Of all universal classification systems , the UDC is by far the most extensive and also the most widespread. It thus accommodates hundreds of thousands of concepts . This system makes it possible to classify a whole of objects from multiple points of view .

The UDC is also used to unlock (make accessible) books and journal articles . For example, a visitor can use this system of numbers to find out which book/article deals with the position of women in agriculture in Argentina. The assignment of UDC codes was time consuming and required a huge card system. Since the arrival of the computer , people in most cases work with authorized keywords , and this means that the need for the elaborate UDC has diminished. "

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OK thanks. At first I thought it was an alternative cat #, just like you often see with records and CDs.

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The 10-digit number should be printed with spaces or dashes between the different parts, for example: 978 90 430 1305 5 or 978-90-430-1305-5

978 94 430 1305 5 or 978-94-8144-055-0

Note: In practice, the use of dashes is preferred.

See also: https://portal.boekhuis.nl/isbn/faq > Where and how do I print the ISBN?

(despite copying the link correctly, it doesn't work. Google on ISBN and then go to ISBN - CB )

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April 13, 2014 22:47

Arco has already told you how to do it, so do not come up with variants, so no spaces

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I don't make up variations. I refer to the official guidelines. There the preference is expressed for isb numbers with dashes. This is therefore in line with the Catawiki guideline, as indicated by Arco.

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Wouldn't it be a good idea to add info-tabs to the input fields of the ISBN numbers, stating the correct spelling of the numbers.

Due to unfamiliarity with the correct spelling, I have so far entered quite a few ISBN numbers.

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April 14, 2014 01:22

I refer to the official guidelines

CataWiki has its own rules and adheres to them. It is not legally stipulated anywhere how you should compile a Catalog and therefore also not how you should write down/save/include an ISBN number (10 or 13) in your catalogue.

Because CataWiki has its own rules, these are the official guidelines that every user of CataWiki must adhere to. They are a kind of house rules that you agreed to when you registered with CataWiki.

Just write the ISBN numbers together, then you're doing it right anyway.

@zipjezopje: You can also mention the NUGI and the UDC in the details. That only makes the CataWiki Catalog more complete.

I think the barcode is called EAN code and you could also mention it there. As already said, that is not the ISBN code!

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@DM

the directive is with dashes, so please don't give any other incorrect directive now.

Write the Simply put ISBN numbers together, then you're doing it right

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CataWiki has its own rules and adheres to them.

That's fine. And I participate in that.

It is not legally stipulated anywhere how you should compile a Catalog and therefore also not how you should write down/save/include an ISBN number (10 or 13) in your catalogue.

Maybe not legally established, but there are definitely official guidelines or, if you prefer, recommendations. See the website of the CB for this.

https://portal.boekhuis.nl/isbn/informatie

(despite copying the link correctly, it doesn't work. Google on ISBN and then go to ISBN - CB )

I quote from the ISBN User's Guide, International Edition:

"The ISBN is divided into five elements, three of which are of variable length. The first and last elements are of fixed length. The elements must be clearly separated by dashes or spaces if they are presented in a human-readable form:

ISBN 978-0-571-08989-5

or

ISBN 978 0 571 08989 5

Note: The use of dashes or spaces has no linguistic meaning and is for the sole purpose of improving readability."

Elsewhere on the CB site preference is given to ISBN numbers with dashes . This is in line with the CataWiki guidelines.

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What is Willem Naber's answer? If we wanted to follow a standard, I would have liked to know which one. Perhaps Willem Naber cannot delete his answers?

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May 01, 2014 10:57

the default is with dashes , as already mentioned ...

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Willem has removed himself.

In short, his answer boiled down to the fact that we do use dashes by default to improve readability - also on the export lists - and to quickly correct errors. If you do not know where the dashes belong when entering, simply leave them out. Then it will be adjusted later.

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Wouldn't it be a good idea to add info tabs to the input fields of the ISBN numbers that state the correct spelling of the numbers.

Indeed. In the Comic book section, that explanation is (extensively) included.

Furthermore, it is very annoying that the search function still does not work properly. If you search for 90-450-1243-X , for example, you will not get any results. Only when you remove the dashes will you find the book with that ISBN (including dashes).

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