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Ik ben toch wel benieuwd hoe jullie erover denken.
Kwam zojuist een uitgave van Fanny & Co tegen waarbij een album is toegevoegd als nieuw item.
Het gaat hier alleen om een sticker die op het bestaande album is geplakt omdat de uitgever de serie in de dump wilde gooien, danwel wilde promoten.
Naar mijn idee is dit databasevervuiling die niets toevoegd aan het oorspronkelijke album. Ik ben dan ook van mening dat dit soort uitgaven niet door de beheerders goedgekeurd mogen worden.
Als het voorkomt dat het als uitgave “bekendgemaakt” moet worden, dan lijkt mij een opmerking bij het oorspronkelijke album meer op zijn plaats dan een nieuw item toevoegen. Het is immers geen nieuwe uitgave.
Het item in kwestie is http://www.catawiki.nl/catalogus/De-zes-sterren…, maar ik ben er vrij zeker van dat er meer van dit soort uitwassen voorkomen.

I'm curious what you guys think about it.
Just came across an issue of Fanny & Co where an album has been added as a new item.
This is only a sticker that was stuck on the existing album because the publisher wanted to dump the series or promote it.
In my opinion, this is database contamination that adds nothing to the original album. I therefore believe that this type of expenditure should not be approved by the administrators.
If it happens that it has to be “announced” as a release, I think a comment on the original album is more appropriate than adding a new item. After all, it is not a new release.
The item in question is http://www.catawiki.nl/catalogus/De-zes-sterren… , but I'm pretty sure there are more such excrescences.

Think the same way
Have already found some albums by talent with a loose print as an extra. Think that you should rather choose to insert the picture as an item without mentioning the album as the album is unchanged.
Or crazy albums with gadgets are something like that.

If I have understood René correctly, there are collectors who collect albums with stickers and gadgets. So this is valuable for them.
But I will put it on the list of discussion points.

If the loose print or wrapper or folder or sticker or gadget is included in the first edition, it has - in my opinion - value. Use image 3 for this and state the details under “details”, but preferably not as a separate item between the books. then happy with the curiosities. Separate items such as “ex libris” also like to curiosities

Ik kan met de oplossing van Jilles ook wel leven hoor. Ik meende dat er wel verzamelaars zijn die alle varianten verzamelen. Deze staat ook al sinds het begin bij de Lombard collectie. Maar als het storend is voor anderen, en dat is het zo te zien, dan moet het inderdaad niet.

I can live with Jilles' solution though. I thought there are collectors who collect all variants. This has also been part of the Lombard collection since the beginning. But if it's disturbing to others, and it looks like it is, then it shouldn't be.

Deze herdruk is voorzien van een bijlage, die samen met het album verpakt zit in een speciale, bedrukte plasticfolie. Deze herdruk is/was ook zonder deze bijlage te koop.
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Andere uitgave? Neen, het gaat uiteindelijk om dezelfde herdruk.
Ander verzamelitem? Ja, aangezien ik de 20 albums die op deze manier mét kwartet zijn uitgebracht toch ook in mijn verzameling heb zitten.

This reprint comes with an appendix, which is packed together with the album in a special, printed plastic foil. This reprint is/was also for sale without this supplement.
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Other edition? No, it is ultimately the same reprint.
Another collector's item? Yes, since I also have the 20 albums released in this way with a quartet in my collection.

Hi Experiment626,
Can you indicate what the criterion is for you to include or not include such publications in your collection? Maybe we can handle that on the site. Or could you also live with including those quartets as curiosities.
René

It would not be appropriate to include this as a curiosa “quartet” with the album wrapped in the foil as the second image, each with a “no addition” for each album that is included in the packaging.
The big question will be what we will do with promotions where multiple albums are packaged together. See the “dupuis promo edition”
I also see a problem with stickers, this can be done by a retailer as a promo action.
More specifically, where an item belongs will depend on the collection objective.
For example, the quartet, the item to be collected is not the album. so under curiosities (will they not search under quartet to know which albums were included with the item? And would they not prefer to see which possible albums were packaged with the quartet?)
eg 2 wraps with album lombard is the album that takes precedence (everyone is looking for the album and it seems useful to me to know that there was originally a wrapper)
steven

Nieuw op de site en een ongeopende versie van Guust en de philips batterijen bleek niet gewenst inderdaad – terwijl er in de huidige opzet geen ruimte meer is om de variant toe te voegen (3e foto terecht al gebruikt voor een van de kaarten). Maar het zal wel aan mijn persoonlijke binding met dit soort items liggen dat ik het belangrijk genoeg vind om te vermelden in een catalogus… ;-))
(voor item zie http://www.catawiki.nl/catalogus/Guust-en-de-ph…)

New on the site and an unopened version of Guust and the philips batteries turned out to be undesirable indeed - while in the current setup there is no longer room to add the variant (3rd photo rightly already used for one of the cards). But it must be my personal connection with this kind of item that I think it's important enough to mention in a catalog... ;-))
(for item see http://www.catawiki.nl/catalogus/Guust-en-de-ph… )

Hi Clemi,
You can of course put these and other 4 cards with the curiosities, and if you then make a reference in the content description for this comic item, then that is also covered, doesn't it?
Alkyoto

I had rejected that Gaston item, of course with an explanation.
The item was already there.
And it goes a bit far to distinguish between unopened and opened items. That's just the same item, not a variant.
You can say that your own copy is unopened in the notes in your shop or collection, just as you can note it there if you have an album with a dedication or drawing. You can also place three extra images there.
So you can adapt it completely to your own situation, I think.

Ik heb er geen probleem mee dat er van één uitgave 2 versies worden opgenomen; ééntje met en ééntje zonder sticker dan.
Indien er voor gekozen wordt om bijlagen bij curiosa te stoppen, geen probleem mits dit consequent gebeurd.
Dan moet bijvoorbeeld deze bijlage ook als apart curiosa besproken worden, bijvoorbeeld:
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I have no problem with 2 versions of one release being included; one with and one without sticker.
If you choose to stop attachments with curiosities, no problem if this is done consistently.
Then, for example, this appendix should also be discussed as a separate curiosity, for example:
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If really purely the criteria of: “1 Catawiki number per issue” is used, then, for example, luxury albums of which only the type of numbering is different should not be included separately.
For example, I have from one and the same edition 3 different versions where only the numbering (which was added by hand by the publisher) is different. Ordinary luxury, employee copy and author copy. Enter as 1 expense or as 3?
As far as that Gaston item is concerned, that is indeed going a bit too far for me. That's something you include in your own notes and is just a measure of the state your album is in.
I just want to say (because of Kiekeboe sticker): 2 variants with a clear reference to each other. To be honest, I really don't see the problem of why that shouldn't be…

Thanks for the response everyone - seems clear to me!

Apparently I made quite a difference with my comment.
As a collector I also realize that there are people who want to collect all the different variants of a release, but why I started this discussion is to indicate that in my opinion a sticker that is later stuck on an album to stimulate sales or the like the item does not make a new edition.
I think the idea behind the Catawiki is to make as complete an overview as possible of what has been published, any additions in the form of stickers, leaflets, etc. I think are fine with the comments. This also prevents new collectors / a new item for a collector from not knowing what he actually bought. So it doesn't make it obvious to keep listing the same item as new every time something is added.
The best solution in my opinion is still to use the comment box.

Perhaps an unnecessary comment or question: is it possible to add an extra level under an item of the same title / publisher for variants, attachments and promotional packaging. This can also prevent a new (main) item from being created for each press of a strip.

@BigBadWolf:
I thought the “No. addition ”was created for this purpose. To be able to discuss the same issue, but a different version.
I therefore argue in favor of keeping the album with sticker as a separate item.
Let me illustrate this with two examples:
1) When the 200th album of the red knight came out, these albums were provided with a special RR sticker on the front cover. The retailers received these stickers with their order of this album. So it is up to them to stick this on themselves. This was followed up very well by the shopkeepers, so much so that I had to drive almost half the country to all different points of sale to be able to find a copy of this first edition without a sticker…
2) I have an album, again of the red knight, of the same print (so each time identical to the same release), in which no fewer than three different promotions were held, each time packed together with a different RR item at a different time.
As I said before, the “No. addition ”still ideal…

In my opinion you are confusing (Experiment626) two things now.
My "criticism" is not about adding an album with actually distinctive additions. Although you can also argue in that case whether it is worth a new addition as a release, the release has literally remained identical. An extra mention in the comments seems to me to be more than sufficient.
The main thing that annoys me is the inclusion of a promotional sticker as a new item. Because let's be honest it's the exact same album, only someone put a sticker on it to get rid of his surplus stock. Under those conditions I could also record albums with a Bruna price sticker, AKO , V & amp; D, etc. as separate releases. That has just as much added value.
I would rather argue in favor of adding a sub-entry for cases like this. Do not know if it is possible, and do not know whether René / Marco see any profit in it, but it could prevent a lot of database pollution.

Well, sorry BBW , I thought your example meant all editions that may or may not have a sticker, but apparently you only meant the editions that were afterwards (with a certain arbitrariness), like that Kiekeboe album. In that case I agree with you.
But the first reactions to your initial message also included all kinds of other forms (gadgets, pictures, etc.). That is why I have also written down my vision on those other matters here.

In dezelfde rij; is dit een ander weekblad?

Wel leuk, en begin het maar eens te zoeken. En voor verzamelaars moet dit zichtbaar zijn. Maar al bij al is dit een bestaand iets met een stempel op.

In the same row; is this another magazine?

Nice, and start looking for it. And for collectors this should be visible. But all in all, this is an existing thing with a stamp on it.

Doesn't look like a stamp. Seems more of an overprint to me, just like the Sprint editions of Spirou and the Mickey editions of Donald Duck?

Is indeed too perfect to be a stamp.

I also think it is worth placing it separately in the catalog.

But it remains the same somewhere if a sticker is put on it. It's the same item with something about it. Pasted or printed.

If you start to include in the catalog separately with all kinds of stickers on the cover, you get the following option: albums signed later, possibly with the author's drawing, which are also new songs?

Where are we going that way?

Not getting started in my opinion. PepiaSnip

albums signed later, possibly with the author's drawing, which are also new songs?

Yep.

Dédicaces (comic drawings for fans)