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Sorry, I don't think it's really a Ronson. It was more to indicate that the name Senator is more commonly used for lighters.
#8641231 resembles in shape an imitation of an American Cli-Cla disposable lighter (see for example Ebay: Cli-Cla Bat Masterson). Manufacturing seems a little less likely to me. Benefit of the doubt, I would also say.
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Can you take another look at Bobby Vee in the Artists.
I think the name is there twice, edited once and not 102 times.
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But there are collectors of "shit".
Just as there are collectors of 'the real stuff'.

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Maybe VDS liked a good cigar every now and then.
Enough cigar bands with Suske and Wiske.
So yes, VDS cooperated with advertising for certain 'purposes'.
And probably a Ronson Senator lighter.
See #1731823
#8641231 legal? illegal? Manufacturing?
Benefit of the doubt, surely?
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Perfect French:-)
Can any of you please add his real name Robert Velline to the Artist, Composer and Lyricist, Bobby Vee.
Here's a photo of Bobby Vee.
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use it to create separate items
That's good to hear. What is in the catalogue, even if it does not comply with the agreements made, is sometimes followed. Then it gets worse.
In addition, exceptional situations sometimes create a precedent, which can subsequently give rise to a hellish discussion. Anticipation is always better than recovery.
I base this on 3 catalogues
Normally we don't follow a catalogue, but if 3 different sources of information (I won't call them catalogues) classify them this way... that must have been thought about. and these information sources are also used by collectors and sellers of city and regional mail.

Now I wonder whether a position for a 'City and Regional Post' area manager would be possible. Mainly for the Netherlands (half of the city and regional postal items in the LD stamp section). You might be a suitable candidate for that.
The Netherlands has the largest number of unreviewed items, and city and regional mail is a very large part of that...
As an area manager you have the advantage of often being able to decide for yourself what does or does not belong together in one Issue group (one of the most important management instruments in an area). Unless there is a different judgment from the highest scaffold (which will not happen very often).
I'll leave that to Collectioneur and postmaster . It's just an idea that came to mind.


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I am not in favor of whether they should be divided into different 'Issue groups'. But it is possible and allowed. It is not a division based on a specific property found in the data.

I base this on 3 catalogues, all of which use the same division:
- the Private Postal Delivery Study Group (SPP), which has the most complete catalog to date
- the City Postal Catalog 2009
- the City Postal Catalog 2012/2013

I would find it very strange not to follow that. I have made peace with the block/sheet discussion and I don't feel so strongly about it. The definition in the manual is quite workable, so I try to follow it.
We never include blocks together in a Series item. that's how it is now.
In this case it might be a shame. But they are and remain blocks. Even though it is always a block with one stamp, with not much sheet edge around it.
Okay... then I'll start working on making separate items.

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It is not unlikely that the use of the image took place without permission, but I see no conclusive evidence.


Bearing in mind that VDS did not/never 'provided' cooperation in advertising for certain products or purposes.

What is this statement based on? Is that a statement from Vandersteen himself?


The manufacturer mentioned in/on this item is a manufacturer of cigars...

Doesn't seem very likely to me. If it were an advertising article from Senator Cigaren, this would be stated much more emphatically. The lettering also does not appear to be the same as that of the Senator Cigars.
In this case it is most likely just a brand (or type) of (cheap) lighters. The name may be a reference to the Ronson Senator lighter.
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FDC = shit philately

We know that too :)

If a certain genre of items does not belong to your collecting area or interest, then you don't talk about it.
There are quite a few enthusiastic collectors of FDCs and/or Se-tenant forms. No one has to determine what a user may or may not collect. Collecting is a hobby, and everyone determines what that means for him/her.

Unless you're American. The government then determines what may and may not be collected. Collecting stamps from Cuba or Venezuela, for example, can get you into serious trouble in the United States.


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during a break in between
- #9867389 and #9867351 These are scans of all the pieces of sheet that together form the original sheet
Seems okay to me. All items from the series are on it, and the item is a series type. We don't trip over that.
- #9886391 , #9886401 , #9886397 , #9886399 are examples of this
As items 'Series' I believe it is correct.
I am not in favor of whether they should be divided into different 'Issue groups'. But it is possible and allowed. It is not a division based on a specific property found in the data.
A division of a very large Issue group based on their appearance (each a sheet with 5 different stamps in it) can sometimes be clearer.
If the total number of items is limited, I am always in favor of not splitting up the Issue group.

I think it can be done here in one Issue group. A group that in the complete version would consist of 4 sheets, 5 series, and 20 'Seal' items. Of which 4 series and 1 sheet are now available on LD.
The area administrator can decide here: to follow the user who added it, or not.
Keeping it together initially, and if it turns out that the group becomes too confusing, is also possible. For example, if many varieties, FDCs, MKs, EDB, etc. are added, it may become a bit too large.

- #9889077 and #9889121 are examples of stamps in a block
We never include blocks together in a Series item. that's how it is now.
In this case it might be a shame. But they are and remain blocks. Even though it is always a block with one stamp, with not much sheet edge around it.
Make an exception for this, and then describe it in detail in the manual... It is a possibility that can sow confusion and will lead to other discussions. What if they are all Sheets with 2 identical stamps with not much sheet edge around them (items that are referred to as Block by some, but not by LD). What exactly is 'not much sheet edge'? There are many examples in Arab Emirate areas where such situations occur.
My preference: they are blocks, and we don't create a series of items with blocks. That is the most compact and clear agreement that can be made.

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All that is t my opinion , that is the same for FDC = shit philately 
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I am working on the advice of Raoul62 to do some cleaning up in NL Stadspost. This specifically concerns items that are marked Series, but possibly (also) something else such as Bridge Pair or Se-tenant. Most are straight forward, but there are also doubtful cases:

- #9867389 and #9867351 These are scans of all the pieces of sheet that together form the original sheet. This includes all 100 stamps from the series, but not as individual items. I don't see any point in physically loosening all the field parts. Virtual detachment - "photoshopping" - is possible, but it's a lot of work and you won't see the typical punch-through artifacts. Ergo: what to do?

- #9886391 , #9886401 , #9886397 , #9886399 are examples of self-adhesive stamps that were delivered separately, but all on the same strip. The strip contains the entire series. Se-tenant, series or both?

- #9889077 and #9889121 are examples of stamps in a block where the block is more or less integral to the stamp. Series of blocks, series of stamps, or something else?
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#9744811 might also be simple. I am the sole owner of scan 1. I do not have the second scan with four items. If you remove the second scan, it will be correct and it won't bother anyone.

Second scan is gone portbetaald


All those involved in the 59 items listed have been informed about the split of these items on May 1.

Thank you very much for the effort Collectioneur .



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portbetaald Jummeke Charles1971 Raoul62 ea
All those involved in the 59 items listed have been informed about the split of these items on May 1.
Please do not change the titles of these 59 items now, otherwise the split and merge will not work properly.

Create a new topic for other (bulk) actions.
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#9744811 might also be simple. I am the sole owner of scan 1. I do not have the second scan with four items. If you remove the second scan, it will be correct and it won't bother anyone.
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#556321 may be simple. I added that second scan this week because I didn't think it should be a separate item. If that is allowed, the second scan can be rejected to begin with. I still have the scan, so I'm creating a new item with it and transferring my ownership. I don't think anyone has wanted to claim ownership of that second scan in the last few days either
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For items with multiple correct/clear images I think an administrator can help, it saves all the scanning work.
Items with unclear or multiple cover scans will indeed need to be recreated by someone who owns them.
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Thank you, it has been processed successfully again.
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Charles1971 We will and thanks. Raoul62 #9744811 and #556321 I have. I can enter that separately. I don't have #1264569 . #1279863 I have 1 of the two. I was now working on the Se-tenant/Series city post... that's an annoying amount to scan. Hopefully ready sometime next weekend.
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Next time we'll agree who starts where portbetaald . Otherwise, keep double checking everything.

By the way, a very nice collaboration.
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Due to FDC's rather permissive new approach to LD, items such as #1279863 need to be broken down...
#1264569
#9744811
#556321



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I think I, together with Charles1971 and Raoul62 among others, have now marked all items correctly. When I checked it, I also came across Raoul62 's: #552799 . also marked as duplicate.

Final score is 59 duplicates. https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/100293-nederland?cf%5B9833%5D=5902707&from=1998&to=&q2=DOUBLURE
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I have included the missing one in your list so that it is not forgotten.

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Thanks for the adjustments, I will start sending the message to the shops/collectors involved tomorrow.
The end date then becomes labor day:-)
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I started working on it straight away after my day job. I think you've been sweet for a while now :)

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#552799 also has an envelope missing in the Issue group. I haven't indicated that yet either.
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