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Hi folks,
I thought it would be a good idea to also have a Comics and Classics forum part… requested and realized in no time! My thanks!
Hope that we can talk about different things… especially grading of Dutch comics seems interesting to me.
Greetings,
René Visser

Hi René,
Nice that you also immediately post here. And interesting topic. Would you like a different grading than New condition, Good condition, Reasonable condition specifically for comics? What is your own idea about this?
greetings,
René Schoenmakers

Hi René and other forum folks,
In any case, it seems good that there is a little more gradation in grading. In any case: Excellent (new condition), Good (certain number of minor errors), Fair (can be seen that it has been read reasonably), Fair (adhesive tape, staples).
I also thought about Bad (has all damage that you can think of)… this category should only be important for old, rare comics. In any case, the comics from after the 1970s (Classic period), if they have Bad as a characteristic, are immediately sent to the waste paper.
But… these are my thoughts. What do you think?
Greetings,
René

I agree, also for comic books there are certain editions that are very badly glued, for example. Oberon edition from the 80s for example, pages come off spontaneously, but I don't always put them in the waste paper ;-)

Hello Ruh,
You're right about that, I wouldn't condemn them directly to recycling ... but I do try to get a copy that is still perfectly in order (and then to read use the old copy, LOL ).
By the way, I've been in close contact with a comic / comic booth on the market for a number of years, you'd be amazed at the number of copies torn in half on the spot and ended up in the scrap paper.
Greetings,
René Visser

AAAAAAAH ! THAT would be very painful to watch!
Glad I wasn't around!
Is also a problem for me, throw it away.

Well, the last Drukken of the X men of Junior-press were massively destroyed!

I am just new to this site and will be completely immersed in the (Marvel) comics.
What are the values that are currently based on it?

Fethor,
American mainly on ebay prices and the comic price guide.
When you import US in new condition (Avengers) I often see 1 euro entering, so this is not really common.
Dutch junior press on a combination of experience from sellers (including stores), ebay and other sites, Matla “98.
Dutch Classics mainly based on Klaas de Krijger's Classics catalogs and they are pretty solid. Although we are getting further in time and very beautiful copies will never drop in price. Also again shops, other sellers, ebay etc.

Hoi René (1 comicworld),
Mijn idee (algemeen idee)van grading van Nederlandse comics is het volgende :
Nieuw = ongelezen/als winkelnieuw.
Dus uitstekende staat zonder opmerkingen.
Goed = vouwtje,lichte naam,gelezen.
Dat is 80% van de comics
Redelijk/matig = onacceptabel, niet verzamelwaardig, plakband, kreuken,losbladerig, nietjes etc.
Toch zijn er altijd uitzonderingen op redelijke exmplaren die toch waarde vertehenwoordigen, met name dan voor de zéér moeilijk verkrijgbare comics (Classics), bijv. een Illustrated of Hip. Over het algemeen is hier zeker een doelgroep voor als lezers of verzamelaars die al lang blij zijn het eindelijk te hebben is mijn ervaring. Weggooien van een matige doch zeldzame Classic is dan géén optie :)
Punt 2 we komen steeds natuurlijk steeds verder weg van de uitgifte datum en vooral goede Classics zullen daarom immer hun waarde houden. Zeker omdat er nog altijd nieuwe verzamelaars van komen o.a. door de hedendaagse superhelden films.
Ik ben benieuwd naar je reactie.
Groetjes, pellucidar

Hi René (1 comicworld),
My idea (general idea) of grading Dutch comics is the following :
New = unread/like new in store.
So excellent condition without comments.
Good = crease, light name, read.
That's 80% of comics
Fair/moderate = unacceptable, not worth collecting, tape, creases, loose leaves, staples, etc.
Yet there are always exceptions to reasonable copies that still represent value, especially for the very difficult to obtain comics (Classics), e.g. an Illustrated or Hip. In general, there is definitely a target audience for this as readers or collectors who have been happy to finally have it for a long time in my experience. Throwing away a mediocre but rare Classic is not an option :)
Point 2 we are of course getting further and further away from the issue date and especially good Classics will therefore always keep their value. Especially because there are still new collectors, among other things because of the contemporary superhero movies.
I am curious for your reaction.
Regards, pellucidar

@ Pellucidar
I agree fine with this, but which grading do we take from ComicPrice Guide?
The 9.4 seems to me to be the usual one for a comic in new condition.
And which grading do we take for the Good condition and Reasonable condition?

This is the grading as it is now used for all comics (this is also workable for comics right?):
Mint condition
Absolutely as new in every respect without any wear and tear. Comic may have been read but still looks perfect. Comics of which a small stock has been found and have not been read (“stock status”) have a higher value.
Good condition
Strip has no serious damage or clearly visible wear. No name is written in pen.
Reasonable condition
Minor damage is allowed: fold, name inscribed with pen, small piece of the spine away, etc. If the strip is in bad condition or incomplete, then it is worth little or nothing unless it is a very rare strip.

Deze grading is prima werkbaar maar ComicPriceGuide gebruikt veel meer gradaties. http://www.comicspriceguide.com/p-indiv.asp?com…
Dus voor “onze” Nieuwstaat hanteren zij weer meerdere tussengradaties met verschillende waarden.

This grading works fine, but ComicPriceGuide uses many more gradations. http://www.comicspriceguide.com/p-indiv.asp?com…
So for “our” mint condition they again use several intermediate grades with different values.

@ Fethor, with regard to European comics, it is always considered new, good and reasonable (see above for the conditions, with René). You can simply leave out comics / comics that are in very bad condition when entering them

That is clear, but within our grading “New condition” ComicPriceGuide does use 5 different gradings with 5 different values.
So what value do we take for our grading “New condition”?
This also applies to our others gradings.
This of course concerns the American comics.

Hello Pellucidar,
Still nice that there is a discussion about prices… I find 3 categories too little, between:
Good = fold, light name, read.
That's 80% of the comics
Reasonable / mediocre = unacceptable, not collectible, tape, wrinkles, loose-leaf, staples, etc.
should at least be in another category.
Greetings,
René

You could also add the Bad category. That would stand for: unacceptable, adhesive tape, loose sheets, etc. Then Reasonable / moderate can be what everyone expects from such an expression.
French

Don't know if this is the right place to ask my question but…
I collect the Laurel & amp; Hardy and have come to the conclusion that the list here is not complete yet.
How can I report either through the missing lists or releases?
Ludo

Interessant onderwerp, die hele classificatie is ook maar net hoe je het interpreteert.
Nieuw ? Wat is nieuw ? Soms komt hij al “beschadigd” uit de winkel ( randjes of hoekje door stoten )
Moet er ook niet rekening worden gehouden bij de kwalificatie met de ouderdom?
Ik heb bijvoorbeeld een album van Jerry Spring nr.1 , Golden Creek , van 1955
Ik heb hem als “goede staat”bestempeld.
Het ziet er goed maar niet geheel onbeschadigd uit, ook het papier is verkleurd ( strips uit die tijd waren niet van een super kwaliteit papier ).
Maar ik zie er ook één in de catalogus met classificatie NIEUW
Die zou ik dan wel eens willen zien.
vintex

Interesting subject, that whole classification is just how you interpret it.
New ? What's new ? Sometimes it comes from the store already "damaged" (edges or corner due to bumps)
Shouldn't age also be taken into account when qualifying?
For example, I have a Jerry Spring No. 1 album, Golden Creek, from 1955
I have marked it as "good condition".
It looks good but not completely undamaged, the paper is also discolored (comics from that time were not of a super quality paper).
But I also see one in the catalog with classification NEW
I would like to see that one.
vintex

A book in new condition means really new condition. So a book in mint condition from 1949, just like a book in mint condition from 2005, must look as if it ended up in the collection straight from the printer. Age is therefore not a significant factor. The difference in age is one of the factors that determines the value of such a new state copy. It is immeasurable to otherwise grade the meaning of the qualification as new over time. "It still looks pretty good for a book that is 60 years old" is an excellent starting point for giving it the maximum qualification "good". (;-)

In general is an additional qualification; being “bad” a good addition

hello I have seen that there are 2 series with the same name, namely Swamp Thing. one is a cartoon comic and the other a (superhero) comic now someone has already introduced something by adding the then writer (moore) to the title of the series. Unfortunately, this is not tenable because that comic is written by several people. I would like to add my collection of Swamp Thing (comic). What is the policy on different series with the same name?

Hi Rarara, in this case you need the hero Swamp Thing from the comics, so what Moore was behind, now by the way, just Swamp Thing. Then you can add your comics by clicking on add item. For the various album series you can take a look at:
http://www.comicpriceguide.com/p -issues.asp? t_I… and type in search swamp thing to get all existing strings. In Catawiki we only include TPB s and HC separately from the comic series as well as the oneshots.

complicated stuff with those comics. Officially the series was called Swamp Thing but after a reboot "The saga of the swamp Thing." I'll just stick to the series title you gave for my tpb's. Whether I will enter the comics myself I don't know yet .. a lot of work. Also a nice site: http://www.milehighcomics.com

You don't have to enter them all at once. now and then a few pieces and after a while they are all in there :)