Books/Question: How to enter ISBN?57 messages

This is a question that returns in every information system. :)
How do we enter the ISBN of a book?
- together (9026132018)
- with dashes (90-261-3201-8)
- with spaces (90 261 3201 8)
I myself am in favor of writing to each other, or the first variant, because of all the foreign books. Search engines also accept this variant, while with spaces the number is seen as separate digits and with dashes some systems get completely lost (speak here from experience with some business systems).
Google sees dashes, for example, as a subtraction.
In the catalogs, the Koninklijke Bibliotheek also works with the “to each other” variant.
It seems to me that we should agree on a uniform spelling for this. I have now come across all three variants in CataWiki. ;)
Peter.

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Thank you, Willem.
This is a straight answer. :)
If I encounter a different ISBN somewhere, I will change it immediately. Might make a difference for the administrators.
I will also keep to this agreement from now on.
gr.
Peter.

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Although an old forum topic, I still have a question from my side: There are also books with 2 ISBN numbers. In the books that I have entered so far I have encountered 2 times that both a Belgian and a Dutch number are displayed.
I have now entered the 2nd ISBN in the details, but am curious how others think about this.

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Willem,
I just entered a book where both the 10- and 13-digit number ISBN are listed on the cover. You can just read it on the 2nd scan of 973893 .
This is from the period in which the transition to 13-digit has taken place

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Ik had een paar vragen over ISBN nummers

Bij boeken vul ik zo goed mogelijk deze nummers in bij mijn nieuwe invoer en ook bij alle items die ik tegenkom van anderen die dat vergeten zijn of teveel werk vinden.

Ik heb de vraag gesteld over hoe het ISBN10 nummer er uit zou moeten zien en er werd gezegd dat dat met tussenstreepjes zou moeten om ons zo te onderscheiden van anderen(???)

Dat maakt mij dus niets uit, zelf de uitgevers hanteren diverse systemen door elkaar dus enige uniformiteit is prima.

Alleen het ISBN13 nummer vervangt het ISBN10 nummer en dat ziet er anders uit.

Het aan elkaar schrijven van alle 13 cijfers maakt het volledig onleesbaar en tussenstreepjes heb ik nog nooit gezien.

9789085191568

9 789085 101568 ziet er beter uit.

Het lijkt mij trouwens eenvoudig om dit in het veld zo aan te passen dat de cijfergroepen er zo uit komen te zien.

Hoe nuttig het nummer ook is, als er geen toekomstig doel is om dit nummer ook daadwerkelijk te gebruiken bij identificatie of zoekopdrachten maakt het niet hoe en of het ingevuld wordt.

Als het op enigerlei wijze wel gebruikt wordt of gaat worden, laat dan de beheerders bij iedereen die een item toevoegt dit meteen aangeven als het fout gedaan wordt..

Als we toch bezig zijn:

Voor de nieuwe CD’s en DVDs is het ook nuttig dat hier een invulveld voor komt.

I had a few questions about ISBN numbers

For books I enter these numbers as well as possible with my new entry and also with all items that I come across from others who have forgotten or find it too much work.

I asked the question about what the ISBN10 number should look like and it was said that it should be with dashes to distinguish us from others (???)

That doesn't matter to me, even the publishers use different systems together, so some uniformity is fine.

Only the ISBN13 number replaces the ISBN10 number and it looks different.

Writing all 13 digits together makes it completely unreadable and I've never seen any dashes.

9 789085 191568

9 789085 101568 looks better.

By the way, I think it's easy to adjust this in the field so that the number groups look like this.

As useful as the number is, if there is no future goal of actually using this number for identification or searches, it doesn't matter how or if it is entered.

If it is or will be used in any way, have the administrators immediately indicate this to everyone who adds an item if it is done incorrectly.

While we're at it:

For the new CDs and DVDs it is also useful that there is an input field for this.

Yes actually I also had questions about this.

The 'normal' code is XX YYY ZZZZ O (without -)

But sometimes it is also
XX YYYY ZZZ O or other variations

What I'm doing now is replacing the spaces in the entry in the book with -

Do we just have to
everything? XX-YYY-ZZZZ-O
create?

Strange, this.
Above in this same topic it is explained in detail how an ISBN is structured.

At Catawiki we use the dashes. It makes the field much more readable on eg export lists. And if it can be searched later on, you can also identify a publisher, for example, and correct it where necessary.

OK but abroad no one uses XX-YYY-ZZZZ-O

1388155 eva

And in the Netherlands I regularly come across other 'punctuation'. Those are probably buggers of the publishers?

I can look them up with scan et tutti quanti, but not this weekend ;-)

Question is do we convert everything to XX-YYY-ZZZZ-O? It is a matter of making the search unambiguous.

The conventions on ISBN are worldwide, so what you're saying here is not true.
In principle, we use dashes everywhere in Catawiki.

Indeed, several publishers are quite careless with the mention.
Also often has to do with the barcode generators that the designers use. There are bad whole programs among them.

The way of writing ISBN is laid down according to a number of rules. Willem explains this in one of the earlier posts about ISBNs

Converting everything to XX-YYY-ZZZ-O is not possible because it is not correct.

@elastokees: the spelling of your 13 will then be: 978-90-85 19-156-8

Hereby a link to the manual on the use of ISBN.

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1. Some maps also have ISBN numbers, but there is currently no separate field for this in the Globes and Atlases collection area. Can that be added.

2. How can I also see atlases that I have entered in this collection area in my book collection? Entering it there again seems a bit double.

@Zamelwim

The idea is that atlases go to the books department and are removed from the maps and globes. These are tricky procedures. By re-entering the atlases for the books themselves and changing the title of globes to duplication of (CW number), they are the fastest in the right place. I can (as administrator) remove the duplicates.

The collection area is now called globes and maps.

For now I would add the ISBN to details

In general, I use the ISBN coding used by the publisher, consecutively: if there is a 13-digit code, I use it, if it is 10-digit, I use the 10-digit, even if more recent editions now have a 13- know the digit code.

There is also something to be said for Peter's argument: search engines do find the contiguous codes, but much more difficult or not the notation with dashes: maybe add something for a field 'search code' so contiguous?

Willem's explanation and arguments are clear: from now on, and when adjusting, I can place the dashes. But then: where the publisher places them, or according to the guidelines above? Willem goes into the NL notation, which is unruly, especially in foreign editions .. Do I enter what the publisher offers in the print or am I going to redo his homework?

Older books still have 9-digit codes: write an X or 0?

A field for 'Libary of Congress Catolog Card Number' and other systems would be nice for older books [field name eg 'pre-isbn code']!

When 'smoothing out' the ISBN codes, I would like to plead for this to be done with great care: before you know it, an edition will receive the ISBN of a reprint or completely different edition! A publication without coding, with SBN, ISBN 9 or 10 digit code, cannot just get an ISBN code stuck on it [still or adjusted]?

Nice discussion!

greetings from Jan

Yes, it is not as easy as it sometimes seems.

What we are not going to do is simply copy the ISBN from the publication. Publishers are sometimes very sloppy, or deliberately manipulate the spaces in an ISBN to suggest a smaller publisher number and thus pretend to be bigger than they really are. We will not fall for that ... (;-)

Willem said more than a year ago

Marco and René are still working on making each ISBN to save without spaces, dots or dashes and to always display them with dashes. Then it becomes even more uniform (uniformity is the basis of a catalog).

Is there already progress?

The algorithms are known so it is not difficult, but a lot of work.

If the ISBN number has to be extended through the mangle, an automatic check cannot be added immediately to see if the Country of issue field has the correct value?

And in the long run of course also fill in the publisher field automatically, but that table is a bit bigger, so filling it is also quite a job.

And in the long run of course also fill in the publisher field automatically

Sounds good, but it is certainly not waterproof.
When the publisher is sold to another company (eg Oberon to Big Balloon), the ISBN will change, but the albums that were already in production will simply bear number 320 in the ISBN as the numbers had already been requested by Oberon. And co-productions almost always use the publisher number of 1 of the 2 or more publishers.

I am also afraid that a typo when entering an ISBN number is easily made.

I think an automatic check is fine, but having the ISBN number determine what is entered for country, for example, seems risky to me.