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When adding images to an item, it says: “3 images can be placed here. The first is for the front, the second for the back and the third for an attachment or for a page from the album. ”
With a book in a box (slip case / cassette), the box sometimes also has an image on the front and back. To display these you actually have to include TWO items, namely box AND book. As an example I have added the BOX from “Don Lawrence pas 70” (no. 399783 ) and adapted the book (no. 91760 ).
Is this the correct way or should it be done differently?

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March 12, 2009 23:02

Yes, boxes can be recorded separately.

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March 14, 2009 09:42

Hi everyone,
I can live with the addition of a slipcase / box, but if we also add all the dust jackets separately (see item no. 398863 , that goes a bit too far, to be honest. In my opinion, that is really part of the book, and it can still be I suppose to be added as a special feature, so the scan of the book is usually also the scan with the dust jacket?
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March 14, 2009 13:06

Nowadays collection boxes even have their own ISBN number. So it can't be a problem to record them separately. And if I can read properly, I can do that here too :).

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March 14, 2009 13:54

The difference is that the "box" of psos99 is not a box, but just the sliding box of the book. I still doubt whether I think it is a good idea to record it separately. With the book you already state that it is a hardcover in a slipcase.
The book "Don Lawrence only 70" could also be done like this:
Image 1: Front of the sliding box
Image 2: Back of the sliding box
Image 3: Front of the book
That's how it happens with a lot of other books that have a slipcase around it. I don't think that this sliding box is a bit sturdier.
And after typing all this I think I'm out: a BOX is only a BOX if it has 2 or more items from Catawiki. Something like that…
So I disagree with the adaptation of the book "Only Seventy". That book is a hardcover with a slipcase, and not a regular hardcover.

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March 14, 2009 15:12

A box is a sliding box but wider and a sliding box is a box but thinner. They are both cassettes, but then called box or slipcase. Let's call it shell. It depends on what has to be put in.
@ Psosh99 your answer is therefore at
03/12/2009 23:02:39, although I would still opt for 1 input and then as follows:
a. front cover of book.
b. front cover
c. back of book or cover, depending on what an image is on. Strength with it.

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March 14, 2009 17:02

I am against the latter proposal because it deviates from the standard.

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As it can be read, there is no agreement for an unambiguous way of registering. Something for a subsequent management meeting?
A first tip from my side:
- Box / Schuifdoos / Cassette WITHOUT image: no separate item
- Box / Schuifdoos / Cassette WITH image: separate item
- Dust jacket of book: no separate item
- Dust jacket that wraps several books: separate item

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I have a question: If I am looking for a certain album that is not yet listed on Catawiki, how do I enter it? I mean, if I don't have an image, the album can't be imported again ... and then I can't indicate that I'm looking for the album ... .. do you get it?

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The concerning book of psos99 and the box are now included separately. Legend (Swolfs) from daedalus albums 1,2 and 3 are recorded as parts and the box also separately. Then a standard has now been created that deviates from the standard. If it would be included under 1 item, you deviate from the standard because the standard is:
1. Image book.
2. Back cover of book
3. Inside book
So what is the best Arco, are you for or against the standard? Or are you against it by default?

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March 14, 2009 19:21

Maybe we can take a step back for a moment?
What exactly is the point of showing all sides of both a slipcase and the accompanying book? We only want to register in the catalog that it exists?
And everyone is also free to include other images in their own collection / shop or to change the order of the images…
For each item you can use 3 of your own images.
In the present case, there is also only one version of this sliding box, so misunderstandings about how it looks cannot arise.

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@Uilenspiegel: I claim this book in question is just a hardcover with a slipcase. And so no BOX in the sense that we have used it elsewhere in Catawiki. I claim that.
@prick: Entering items without a scanned image is indeed not possible. So you will have to give someone with a scanner in your area a nice look ... (;-)
(I posted my comment above before Ulenspiegel responded.)

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@Arco, I suggest you read the question from psos99 again and the answer below from the Administrator. In my first post, I propose as an option that if you create 1 precedent (shell), that can be included separately.

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I think it is a very bad thing for people to enter boxes, sliding boxes and dust jackets as separate items. It pollutes the database and it doesn't make searching for items any easier. Because that would mean, for example, in the Collectors Editions of Franka, that 4 separate items are entered.
- book
- slipcase
- print
- cover for the print
Folks, please keep it organized and enter it as 1 item. Furthermore, it is a small effort to make a comment under "Details" that there is a slipcase or box around the book.
And the fact that there might not be an image is not a disaster. The image on the packaging is often the same as that of the book.
So don't go difficult, and keep it organized. Assume how the book was published. It was never intended that the sliding boxes, boxes were sold separately. And so they are an integral part of that release.
cheers
ps. A box, sliding box can NEVER have its own isbn number. It is always the packaging in combination with the book (content) that has its own isbn number. But it may well be that a book from an earlier edition was used to create that set, so there is a different isbn in the book than on the box, slipcase.

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You are right, only it happens that books are sold separately from a box or that a box is only added later (see the lemon stories by Rene Follet). Perhaps it is a solution to separate the books from a box to be mentioned, with the note: “belongs in box with… see fig 3

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Agree.

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Response to @Alkyoto 2009-03-14 09:42:15:
You say: ”... see item no. 398863 , I agree a bit too far, to be honest. In my opinion that is really part of the book… ”
If you have read my comment on 'concerns', you will know that this is a cover that is wrapped around TWO books, so a kind of paper box and no normal dust jacket. That is why I have included it as a separate item.

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March 15, 2009 23:43

I was a little too quick in my response. This is complex matter as seen in all of the following reactions :-)
All things considered, I think it makes sense to record boxes and dust jackets separately if they contain more than 1 album.
If it is a slipcase or dust jacket around 1 album, it can simply be included with the album. Such a dust jacket or slipcase will rarely, if ever, be collected or offered separately. And that in general is an important criterion for whether or not to include something in Catawiki.
You sometimes see boxes for multiple parts offered separately. And these are also not logical with 1 of the items that are included. So recording separately is obvious.
Does anyone seriously object to this and, if so, why? If not, I'll add this to the input statement.

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The fill statement then becomes something like:
An envelope is a Slipcase/Box/Cassette/Dust jacket.
Cover with 2 or more books:
- Include casing as a separate item PROVIDED it has an image or text on it.
- images with item of casing:
1. Front cover
2. Back cover
Cover with 1 book:
- DO NOT include casing as a separate item
- if there IS an image or text on the casing
– images with item of book and cover, possibility 1a
1. Front cover
2. Back cover
3. Front book
– images with item of book and cover, possibility 1b
1. Front book
2. Back of book
3. Front Casing
- if there is NO image and text on the cover
– images with item of book and cover
1. Front book
2. Back of book
3.

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It does not matter whether it contains 1 or more books. Just enter everything as 1 item. MEn has enough space to give enough information at "details", and if necessary one can refer to the relevant items with Catawiki numbers.
Unless the book (s) are substantially different from the "normal" editions, you can also enter them separately.

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@ Iskander: The problem is that if a box is intended for multiple albums, it is not clear to which album it should be recorded. I'm not so afraid of database contamination, because boxes for multiple albums don't appear that often.
@ psos99: this is a bit complex. Can't we make your 1b proposal in all cases?

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May I also have my say ...
To give a concrete example.
Histoire couleur terre (Kim Dong-Hwa) contains 3 parts that can be purchased together in a separate box (my case) .
The 3 separate parts of course have their own ISBN number. The box on top of that too. Can it really not be entered as a separate item? In any case, I did. See:
part 1: cat.nr 174263
part 2: cat.nr 174265
part 3: cat.nr 174267
box : cat. nr 174271 .

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Yep, boxes that contain multiple parts can be recorded separately. See my post above.

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@willem: idd, item 174271 = box + 3 books. In any case, I bought it as a whole.
For your information, see: http: //bd.casterman. com / albums_detail.cfm? id = 4405
And beyond, thanks for the explanation. Learned something new today.

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